Your Experience

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Permalink Reply by Yisrael Baruch on August 11, 2009 at 4:06pm

Shalom Everyone,

I formed this group for this and this only reason. To share with you some of my experience's that I have come across with when it comes to discrimination or racial acts and even hateful crimes. Please share your experience with us too.

My latest experience was not too long ago. My G-dfather and I were walking around and exploring Fashion Island at Newport Beach in California. When I was disscusing a paticular store to him and I decide to point toward the direction of the store, My G-dfather then told me 'Not to point' in a playful manner. When a guy crosses us and heard my G-dfather telling me not to point, then he replyed with 'You should Hang Him' with so much hate in his eyes and his voice shook the place with a tone of demand.

I couldn't believe what he said to us. We did nothing to this man or gave no reason for him to whip at us like the way he did.

It didnt ruin our day but it made us think that this man actually wanted me to be lyniched just for the fact that we were 2 jews walking on the same day at the same place at the same time as he was..

Tell me what you think of this man's acts and comment towards us??

Thank you .

Shalom Shalom..

Yisrael Baruch,
Best Regards

Permalink Reply by Anthony David Cohen on August 11, 2009 at 4:23pm

Shalom
I myself have experience so much hate from other people of different race and culture. As time goes on I will share those with everyone here. As my G_dson has spoken of one time we were together and what happen. How did he know we were jews? We were wearing our kippat. This man mad dog us the whole time we were there. He was evening walking his dog and at times it really looked like he wanted to let his dog lose on us. But as Yisrael had said, he did NOT ruin our day. HE was the one with the problem, not us.

I remember one time being in a Home Depot store standing in line waiting to pay for my items. Two lines down from me was a group of muslims ladys and men. One of the ladies got out of line, walked over to where I was at, removed her vail and spit on me. Just like that. The manager saw it and told them they had to leave the store now and asked me if I wanted to call the police to report the hate crime act. I told him no it would not slove the problem. I was kind of in shock at what has happen.

When these things happen, I do not feel bad being a Jew nor do I allow it to bother me. I am proud of who and what I am and will never be ashame of showing that I am a JEW!

Permalink Reply by Georg von Starkermann on August 16, 2009 at 10:34pm

I am a German who lives part time in Germany and part in the USA. Not far from one of my residences in Berlin is the Central Jewish Cemetery. One day an American lady friend of mine wanted to see the Jewish cemetery and I agreed to escort her in. We were there about 30 minutes when a group of 4 Germans decided to venture in as well. I saw two young men try and topple several tombstones and I yelled at the to stop. They didn't and kept on trying to damage the stones. My lady friend started to get very nervous and I said not to worry. I went over to the young men and said that our people already killed most of these dead people buried here and trying to turn over the headstones was really a Christian sin. One of the young men pulled out a knife that was at least 4 inches long. I had two choices. Either run out of cemetery or stand my ground. I decided to stand my ground. We wrestled a bit when finally I took the knife away from the young man. At that point I cut the man right on his cheek causing blood to rush out even though the wound was not that deep. The moral of this story is that you cannot run and hide even if someone spits on you. I would have "decked" that woman even if I went to prison over the issue. Jews have been running and hiding for so many years and centuries that we Christians almost expect them to do that once again. Perhaps that is what Mr. Obama is thinking when he "orders Israel to do his bidding" At some point you cannot shirk you responsibilities. You must stand up and fight. Reading your story makes me ashamed of you.

Permalink Reply by Georg von Starkermann on August 16, 2009 at 10:38pm

If you look for hate, you will find it. If someone "crosses " you, forget it. If he threatens you physically, then fight to kill. Always remember that.

Yisrael Baruch said:

Shalom Everyone,

I formed this group for this and this only reason. To share with you some of my experience's that I have come across with when it comes to discrimination or racial acts and even hateful crimes. Please share your experience with us too.

My latest experience was not too long ago. My G-dfather and I were walking around and exploring Fashion Island at Newport Beach in California. When I was disscusing a paticular store to him and I decide to point toward the direction of the store, My G-dfather then told me 'Not to point' in a playful manner. When a guy crosses us and heard my G-dfather telling me not to point, then he replyed with 'You should Hang Him' with so much hate in his eyes and his voice shook the place with a tone of demand.

I couldn't believe what he said to us. We did nothing to this man or gave no reason for him to whip at us like the way he did.

It didnt ruin our day but it made us think that this man actually wanted me to be lyniched just for the fact that we were 2 jews walking on the same day at the same place at the same time as he was..

Tell me what you think of this man's acts and comment towards us??

Thank you .

Shalom Shalom..

Yisrael Baruch,
Best Regards

Permalink Reply by Yisrael Baruch on August 16, 2009 at 10:41pm

Shalom Georg von Starkermann,

Wow.. What an amazing story you have shared with us!
Thank you.

I see your point and where you stand.
One Question??? Who's story are you so ashamed of when you read it and why??

Best Regards,
Yisrael Baruch

Georg von Starkermann said:

I am a German who lives part time in Germany and part in the USA. Not far from one of my residences in Berlin is the Central Jewish Cemetery. One day an American lady friend of mine wanted to see the Jewish cemetery and I agreed to escort her in. We were there about 30 minutes when a group of 4 Germans decided to venture in as well. I saw two young men try and topple several tombstones and I yelled at the to stop. They didn't and kept on trying to damage the stones. My lady friend started to get very nervous and I said not to worry. I went over to the young men and said that our people already killed most of these dead people buried here and trying to turn over the headstones was really a Christian sin. One of the young men pulled out a knife that was at least 4 inches long. I had two choices. Either run out of cemetery or stand my ground. I decided to stand my ground. We wrestled a bit when finally I took the knife away from the young man. At that point I cut the man right on his cheek causing blood to rush out even though the wound was not that deep. The moral of this story is that you cannot run and hide even if someone spits on you. I would have "decked" that woman even if I went to prison over the issue. Jews have been running and hiding for so many years and centuries that we Christians almost expect them to do that once again. Perhaps that is what Mr. Obama is thinking when he "orders Israel to do his bidding" At some point you cannot shirk you responsibilities. You must stand up and fight. Reading your story makes me ashamed of you.

Permalink Reply by Georg von Starkermann on August 17, 2009 at 1:52pm

I am ashamed of everyone especially Jewish People who refuse to confront anti-semitism when it occurs. Walking away, running away from these situations only emboldens the person trying to intimidate and scare you. A short story...My cousin Fritz was at the Warsaw Ghetto uprising as an adjutant to SS General Stroop. The German SS was the premier fighting unit in the entire Wehrmacht. Fritz told me that as anti-semites go, he felt he was number one, perhaps number two; that is until he was confronted for the first time by Jews who decided that enough was enough and if they were going to die, they would do so fighting their enemy, rather than capitulating. Fritz went on to state that when the Jews fought back, the Germans who were expecting an easy victory were absolutely startled. Fritz being one of them. He later recalled that the Jews who fought back were the same Jews who fought at Masada, and at the Temple Mount when the Romans besieged the Temple. Their level of heroism was beyond anything that the Germans anticipated or imagined. The bottom line was the Germans had to bring in Ukrainian reinforcements to supplement the German SS Divisions who were beginning to have a change of heart vis-a-vis the rebellious Jews. After this episode, my cousin became a Protestant Minister and left the Army completely. The moral of this story is simple. Never run away from someone who has decided to kill you, or harm you. Always believe your enemy when he states that he will never have a peace treaty with you, nor recognize you. If all your enemy states is that if "you give me land, and I will give you peace" never believe that lie.

Permalink Reply by Elijah Mosiah Goldberg on August 19, 2009 at 3:20pm

What you go through is NOTHING! I live it and fight it everyday. people need to stand up and fight for themselfe. We are not door mat for people to treat like crap. It time to take a stand. It time to fight fire with fire. It time to say NO MORE! Do not let people get away with treating you bad cause you jew. Jew are not cowards, we are warriours! Be a warriour and not a chicken. Be PROUD of who you are. Israel is ours! We will fight, we will die to keep Israel. We are not going away!

Permalink Reply by Yisrael Baruch on August 19, 2009 at 4:39pm

Elijah,
Your right in every aspect, But get this... In the USA we cant really do much but to endure it to the best of our ability.
If we do act on it then the law will get involved. Trust me we get harassed by Muslims, Even Jihad at times. They are a bunch of Shmucks, they are Putz to my eyes. And i do want to kick their ass at times but i best not. Because when i resort to violence i wont stop until im covered in their blood.

I even thought in joining IDF so i can put them six feet under ground...

My G-dfather was in IDF too. He fought war.
he was in for 2 and half years.

When i go to Israel for Vacation Jacob will show me around. I hope i meet you too.

Best Regards,
Yisrael Baruch

Elijah Mosiah Goldberg said:

What you go through is NOTHING! I live it and fight it everyday. people need to stand up and fight for themselfe. We are not door mat for people to treat like crap. It time to take a stand. It time to fight fire with fire. It time to say NO MORE! Do not let people get away with treating you bad cause you jew. Jew are not cowards, we are warriours! Be a warriour and not a chicken. Be PROUD of who you are. Israel is ours! We will fight, we will die to keep Israel. We are not going away!

Permalink Reply by Georg von Starkermann on August 19, 2009 at 9:31pm

After reading some of the comments here I have come to the conclusion that there is much hate for Arabs, Moslems, and even anti-semites in general. It's best to be strong and be alert to your surroundings. However never let your "guard down" you never know what's in front of you. Arabs hate Israelis simply because they are taught to hate. It's like having a dog that you constantly mistreat. No food, water, love etc. The dog becomes mean and and starts to bite everyone and everything it encounters. On the other hand, if you love the dog, feed it and give it plenty of love and affection, the dog will love you back. If Arabs are taught to hate, they will hate all of their lives. It's up to all of us to try and make the world a better place by showing more love and affection, not only towards Moslems, but towards each other as well.