Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

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Permalink Reply by WALTER H. STEINLAUF on March 1, 2010 at 8:49am

RE: "Because it is really not a political Problem. it is a religious problem."
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I believe you are mistaken Daniel; or should I say that your assessment does not go FAR enough. The "problem" is a clash of spiritualities that is as old as time itself. Israel and her people are now IN the ancient lands that have always been theirs. This was long before Islam and the Palestinians came on the scene. So, there is no religious problem.

Spirituality, i.e., the ability to know the difference between right thought, right action, and just consequence is what is in question here. Some persons are spiritual; some people are not spiritual.

There MAY have been a time when reconciliation was possible. The late Anwar el Sadat was a great and visionary representative of Islam. No such visionary exists today. Since the assassination of Sadat by his own people, two full generations of Muslims have grown to maturity, and the only solution they have ever learned is to "drive the Jews into the sea" or to annihilate World Jewry. Their actions do speak louder than their hollow words. Where I come from, talk is cheap - very cheap.

Daniel said:

A Lasting solution for Palestinian Problem

What is Palestinian Problem? World see it as a political problem and is trying to find out a political solution to that problem. But why it always fails? Because it is really not a political Problem. it is a religious problem. You can never solve a religious problem by a political solution. We must find out a religious solution for that religious problem. And that solution lies in Bible and in Koran. My humble attempt is to reveal that solution.

I am Daniel an Indian. I was born in a Christian family and brought up as a Christian. My father who was a teacher was a very learned person, by reading books about Jews he became an ardent admirer of Jews. He believed that Jews are the really chosen people of God and not Christians. He instilled in my mind love and respect towards even when I was a child. When I was 16 years old boy, Israel liberated Jerusalem in the 6 days war. I saw my father dancing with joy and praise of God. My father believed that nobody can destroy Jews and whatever things happens to Jews happens for the fulfillment of the prophecy of Bible. Fortunately I got the book “ Jews, God and History “ written by Max I Dimont . I wrote a letter to Dimont and he replied and he sent his other two books to me as a gift. Those books changed my life and I began to study bible with an open mind. I had a belief that Jews are suffering all these persecutions only because they refuse to believe Jesus as their Christ. I believed that If somebody can take make the Jews convince that Jesus is the Christ and if they accept Jesus all their problems will solved. So I started to write a book to unquestionably prove that Jesus is the Christ . But against to my great wish and expectation while I was writing my book new meaning was revealed to my mind for the words and deeds of Jesus and it was astonishing and unbelievable. In short words I found the following hidden truth in the Bible:

Jesus never claimed He is the Messiah. In fact he questioned the Jewish belief that an individual, the son of David, will come as the Messiah. Remember He commanded his disciples that they shall tell no one that he was Jesus Christ. Mt.16:21. He told the Jews do not believe anybody who will claim he is messiah. He told the Jews no individual will come as Messiah, what will come or who will come is the Kingdom of God.

Jesus gave the title “ Son of Man” for the kingdom of God. By declaring “The son of Man will come in the clouds with glory” Jesus told the Jews he is speaking about the same Son of Man about whom Prophet Daniel prophesied in his book. Son of Man in the book of Daniel is not an individual, it represents “Israel” the kingdom of God. In the Book of Daniel, animals represent all other kingdoms and Son of Man represents the kingdom of Jews, the people of God. The last question the apostles asked to Jesus was that “ when will you restore again the kingdom of Israel?”. They never wanted to know when Jesus will return from heaven and will take them also into heaven. Are you not astonished about it?

When Jesus said “ Let these words sink down in your ears, Son of Man is going to be handed over into the hands of Gentiles and they will kill him and on the third day he will rise again”, Jesus meant that Judea/Israel the country of Jews is going to be destroyed and Jews are going to be scattered all over the world among the gentiles, and while they were among the gentiles all the curses proclaimed in the law of Moses will come upon them. NO messiah will come to save them but after fulfilling the curses upon them, the Jews will be brought back to Israel as prophesied by all other prophets in the Bible. Thus ISRAEL the kingdom of God will be resurrected on the land of old Canaan,new Palastine.

Is it not what happened to Jews, their kingdom, and their temple and to their people during the last 2000 years?

Christianity is the culmination of wrong interpretation of Bible. The Christians hated Jews because of their wrong interpretation of old and new testaments. Likewise Muslims fight against Israel because of wrong interpretation of Koran. I have given a different interpretation for Bible and Koran which will help to end enmity between Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Messianic age in the book of Bible is not a utopia

Writing books like Davinci code people are making crores of rupees. Davinci code is a Chinese cracker, comparing to my work which is a hydrogen bomb,. If you cannot believe this statement please read my work and find out the truth. I shall send copy of my book by e-mail. Will you please go through my book, examine it, .Will you please help me to publish my book if you are convinced that my book is worth to be published.

Daniel

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Permalink Reply by Daniel on March 6, 2010 at 7:29pm

I am not mistaken Mr.Walter H Steinlauf. What I mean is this, Christians fought many crusades to take possession of land of Israel believing they are the new Israel. But they failed and abandoned such ideas and later accepted Jews are the true heirs of that land. Muslims are repeating the christian mistake because of their religious beliefs like Christians. The days are not far away that the Muslims also will realize their mistake and admit Jews are the true heirs of the holy land and they will allow Jews to leave peacefully on the land God promised to them. It will bring peace allover the world as prophesied by all the prophets and people will call that period of peaceful life as " the Messianic age ". No individual will come as messiah for this purpose as the Jews, Christians and Muslims believe. Then the whole world will realize the real meaning of the words and deeds of Jesus the greatest Jewish prophet about whom Moses has foretold.

Daniel

WALTER H. STEINLAUF said:

RE: "Because it is really not a political Problem. it is a religious problem."
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I believe you are mistaken Daniel; or should I say that your assessment does not go FAR enough. The "problem" is a clash of spiritualities that is as old as time itself. Israel and her people are now IN the ancient lands that have always been theirs. This was long before Islam and the Palestinians came on the scene. So, there is no religious problem.

Spirituality, i.e., the ability to know the difference between right thought, right action, and just consequence is what is in question here. Some persons are spiritual; some people are not spiritual.

There MAY have been a time when reconciliation was possible. The late Anwar el Sadat was a great and visionary representative of Islam. No such visionary exists today. Since the assassination of Sadat by his own people, two full generations of Muslims have grown to maturity, and the only solution they have ever learned is to "drive the Jews into the sea" or to annihilate World Jewry. Their actions do speak louder than their hollow words. Where I come from, talk is cheap - very cheap.

Daniel said:

A Lasting solution for Palestinian Problem

What is Palestinian Problem? World see it as a political problem and is trying to find out a political solution to that problem. But why it always fails? Because it is really not a political Problem. it is a religious problem. You can never solve a religious problem by a political solution. We must find out a religious solution for that religious problem. And that solution lies in Bible and in Koran. My humble attempt is to reveal that solution.

I am Daniel an Indian. I was born in a Christian family and brought up as a Christian. My father who was a teacher was a very learned person, by reading books about Jews he became an ardent admirer of Jews. He believed that Jews are the really chosen people of God and not Christians. He instilled in my mind love and respect towards even when I was a child. When I was 16 years old boy, Israel liberated Jerusalem in the 6 days war. I saw my father dancing with joy and praise of God. My father believed that nobody can destroy Jews and whatever things happens to Jews happens for the fulfillment of the prophecy of Bible. Fortunately I got the book “ Jews, God and History “ written by Max I Dimont . I wrote a letter to Dimont and he replied and he sent his other two books to me as a gift. Those books changed my life and I began to study bible with an open mind. I had a belief that Jews are suffering all these persecutions only because they refuse to believe Jesus as their Christ. I believed that If somebody can take make the Jews convince that Jesus is the Christ and if they accept Jesus all their problems will solved. So I started to write a book to unquestionably prove that Jesus is the Christ . But against to my great wish and expectation while I was writing my book new meaning was revealed to my mind for the words and deeds of Jesus and it was astonishing and unbelievable. In short words I found the following hidden truth in the Bible:

Jesus never claimed He is the Messiah. In fact he questioned the Jewish belief that an individual, the son of David, will come as the Messiah. Remember He commanded his disciples that they shall tell no one that he was Jesus Christ. Mt.16:21. He told the Jews do not believe anybody who will claim he is messiah. He told the Jews no individual will come as Messiah, what will come or who will come is the Kingdom of God.

Jesus gave the title “ Son of Man” for the kingdom of God. By declaring “The son of Man will come in the clouds with glory” Jesus told the Jews he is speaking about the same Son of Man about whom Prophet Daniel prophesied in his book. Son of Man in the book of Daniel is not an individual, it represents “Israel” the kingdom of God. In the Book of Daniel, animals represent all other kingdoms and Son of Man represents the kingdom of Jews, the people of God. The last question the apostles asked to Jesus was that “ when will you restore again the kingdom of Israel?”. They never wanted to know when Jesus will return from heaven and will take them also into heaven. Are you not astonished about it?

When Jesus said “ Let these words sink down in your ears, Son of Man is going to be handed over into the hands of Gentiles and they will kill him and on the third day he will rise again”, Jesus meant that Judea/Israel the country of Jews is going to be destroyed and Jews are going to be scattered all over the world among the gentiles, and while they were among the gentiles all the curses proclaimed in the law of Moses will come upon them. NO messiah will come to save them but after fulfilling the curses upon them, the Jews will be brought back to Israel as prophesied by all other prophets in the Bible. Thus ISRAEL the kingdom of God will be resurrected on the land of old Canaan,new Palastine.

Is it not what happened to Jews, their kingdom, and their temple and to their people during the last 2000 years?

Christianity is the culmination of wrong interpretation of Bible. The Christians hated Jews because of their wrong interpretation of old and new testaments. Likewise Muslims fight against Israel because of wrong interpretation of Koran. I have given a different interpretation for Bible and Koran which will help to end enmity between Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Messianic age in the book of Bible is not a utopia

Writing books like Davinci code people are making crores of rupees. Davinci code is a Chinese cracker, comparing to my work which is a hydrogen bomb,. If you cannot believe this statement please read my work and find out the truth. I shall send copy of my book by e-mail. Will you please go through my book, examine it, .Will you please help me to publish my book if you are convinced that my book is worth to be published.

Daniel

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Permalink Reply by WALTER H. STEINLAUF on March 6, 2010 at 9:55pm

Notwithstanding what Daniel writes, my views remain unchanged.

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Permalink Reply by Dvir Yaakov on March 8, 2010 at 3:45pm

Mr. Baskin, your compassion for other people is noteworthy, however when it comes to the situation in Israel there is no room for compassion that jeopardizes the lives of over 6 million Jews. The so-called Palestinians have mastered the manipulation of media and how people even like you, sir, are thinking. If you truly knew the atrocities, if you truly knew they are not in fact like us, they do not want peace, they want to wipe Israel off the map.

A perfect example of this is their "moderate" Fatah party. Have you ever looked at the emblem they wear on their uniforms? It's two rifles and a hand grenade over the ENTIRE land of Israel. Their agenda is not hidden. I suggest you check out Jerusalem Pulse Radio and stay up on their Headlines' page even for a week or two and see what you are obviously missing.

May HaShem open your eyes to the facts in Israel. There can be NO 2-State, there is no solution for peace as they will ALWAYS want more until they have it all. G-d forbid!

Dvir
www.jerusalempulseradio.com

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Permalink Reply by Dvir Yaakov on March 8, 2010 at 3:55pm

Mr. Baskin, your compassion for other people is noteworthy, however when it comes to the situation in Israel there is no room for compassion that jeopardizes the lives of over 6 million Jews. The so-called Palestinians have mastered the manipulation of media and how people even like you, sir, are thinking. If you truly knew the atrocities, if you truly knew they are not in fact like us, they do not want peace, they want to wipe Israel off the map.

A perfect example of this is their "moderate" Fatah party. Have you ever looked at the emblem they wear on their uniforms? It's two rifles and a hand grenade over the ENTIRE land of Israel. Their agenda is not hidden. I suggest you check out Jerusalem Pulse Radio and stay up on their Headlines' page even for a week or two and see what you are obviously missing.

May HaShem open your eyes to the facts in Israel. There can be NO 2-State, there is no solution for peace as they will ALWAYS want more until they have it all. G-d forbid!

Dvir
www.jerusalempulseradio.com

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Permalink Reply by Anthony David Cohen on April 30, 2010 at 9:49am

Divir
What you have stated in your comment was 100 right and I wanted to thank you for posting this.

Dvir Yaakov said:

Mr. Baskin, your compassion for other people is noteworthy, however when it comes to the situation in Israel there is no room for compassion that jeopardizes the lives of over 6 million Jews. The so-called Palestinians have mastered the manipulation of media and how people even like you, sir, are thinking. If you truly knew the atrocities, if you truly knew they are not in fact like us, they do not want peace, they want to wipe Israel off the map.

A perfect example of this is their "moderate" Fatah party. Have you ever looked at the emblem they wear on their uniforms? It's two rifles and a hand grenade over the ENTIRE land of Israel. Their agenda is not hidden. I suggest you check out Jerusalem Pulse Radio and stay up on their Headlines' page even for a week or two and see what you are obviously missing.

May HaShem open your eyes to the facts in Israel. There can be NO 2-State, there is no solution for peace as they will ALWAYS want more until they have it all. G-d forbid!

Dvir
www.jerusalempulseradio.com

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